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De facto? Or Marriage? Advice for Australian Filipina couples

Jeff Harvie
Jeff Harvie
·4 min read

In the eyes of Australian migration law, you may apply for a Subclass 309 or Subclass 820 partner visa based on:

  • Marriage, or;
  • A de facto relationship (ie. live-in relationship or common-law marriage)

The law makes no differentiation and the case officers in the Department of Immigration or in the Australian Embassy in Manila make no differentiation either. They follow the law and that’s it.

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Why do couples choose the de facto option?

Most don’t. Filipina ladies are generally great believers in marriage, and most men who look for Filipina ladies do so because they also have a belief in family values and seek out ladies who feel the same. So by far the vast majority of our clients choose the path of marriage.

Those who don’t? In most cases it’s due to one of two things:

  1. The lady is still married in the Philippines and they want to avoid going through an annulment, or;
  2. It’s two men or two women in a same-sex (gay) relationship, and they obviously can’t get married when the Marriage Act defines marriage as being between a man and a woman. If that law changes? No doubt migration law will allow for marriage-based visas for same-sex couples too.

The other type are those who simply don’t want to marry for personal reasons.

Issues to think about before entering into a de facto relationship

We at Down Under Visa are here to do a job, and that is to do all that we can to help you to get a visa. Your choice of relationship and your choice of partner remains your own business. But I’d like to give you a few things to think about regarding the difference between a married relationship and a de facto relationship.

The main issues revolve around the Philippines and its traditional attitude toward marriage. Unlike the way most countries are heading, the Philippines still holds marriage as being sacred and as being NOT on equal footing to a de facto relationship in the eyes of society and therefore in the eyes of the law. A de facto relationship here in the Philippines has no legal weight at all.

What can go wrong?

There are issues that occasionally come up, such as permanent resident visas (13a) for those who wish to settle here. You must be married or you simply won’t qualify. And no doubt there would be other legal issues which I haven’t investigated, because there is one major issue that I want to make clients and prospective clients aware of:

Child custody laws in the Philippines

Article 176 of the Family Code of the Philippines states: “Illegitimate children shall use the surname, and shall be under the parental authority of their mother….”

No, I don’t like the term “illegitimate children” either, but that term is still used here. It means any child born out of wedlock, ie. born when the parents are not married. This will apply to children born from de facto relationships! The kids shall be under the parental authority of the mother! The father of the child has no custodial rights at all.

So that means you can have children here, and if she says that you can’t see them? Nothing you can do. And if she marries a man in another country and wants to take your kids with her? She can do as she pleases, and you have no say.

And guess what else? Under Articles 164 and 167 of the Family Code of the Philippines, if you father a child with a woman who is still married, the child may seen as “legitimate” and as children of the existing marriage. You may have to prove that the child was not the child of the ex-husband under Article 166 of The Code.

You can also be charged with adultery! Yes, adultery is a crime here.

Note that we are not Philippines attorneys and are not giving reliable legal advice that you should make decisions based on. If you find yourselves in legal difficulties, please consult an attorney here in Philippines and discuss your case. We merely wish to make you aware of the downsides and the risks of being in a de facto relationship here and of having children together.

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Jeff Harvie and the Down Under Visa team have been doing this for a lot of years! Down Under Visa have brought thousands of couples to Australia from South East Asia over the years. Mostly from the Philippines, but we help increasing numbers of couples where the visa applicant is from China, Thailand, Vietnam or Cambodia. And what this means is we see a lot of success....and we also see failures when people go it alone after talking to their mate, or their relative, or that minimal-care-no-responsibility Facebook group run by Steve and Maribeth based on their own visa application! One application, and they feel qualified to advise others! It's not even LEGAL to do that!

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8 Comments

ML
marinela lumeranJan 26, 2017, 09:14 AM
Hi, I would like to ask, I have 2 kids out of wedlock, both from different fathers. The father of my 2nd child would like to get us here in the Philippines including my first child (who is not his) and live in Australia under de facto visa. I would like to ask if the Australian Immigration requires any legal form for my first child since she is not the biological father of my second partner. Or if there's none, is it possible that I can tag along my first child (daughter) to migrate in Australia together with my 2nd partner and son? kindly email me if you have any idea. Thank you.
JH
Jeff HarvieJan 30, 2017, 03:23 AM
Too complex a question for here, Marinela. Suggest you use our free online visa assessment form.
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Richard TJun 19, 2017, 05:33 PM
If I am legally married to my same-sex partner here, Can I get a 13a visa in the Philippines?
JH
Jeff HarvieJun 24, 2017, 04:24 AM
We don't manage Philippines visas, sorry. Only Australian visas. I don't believe you can, though.
K
KamelaSep 5, 2017, 02:30 AM
Hi, I have a fiancé who's an Australian citizen and we currently have a de facto relationship. We already have a 1 year old daughter and we're planning to visit him in Sydney this December. Will it be better if I apply for a tourist visa or a de facto visa? Thanks much for your help.
JH
Jeff HarvieSep 19, 2017, 11:56 AM
Best thing is to get some professional advice and management, Kamela. De facto visas are complicated. Trying to apply for a partner visa whilst on a tourist visa is complicated. And it's tougher when you have kids. Yet you have a lot at stake. I can't advise you here, sorry. I don't know anything about your situation.
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MFeb 7, 2018, 04:25 PM
Hi. I am a Filipina and is still married but have been living separately for more than 4 years already. I have an Australian bf. Can I apply for a partner visa?
JH
Jeff HarvieFeb 8, 2018, 07:30 AM
You can IF you've been living together in a genuine and committed de facto partnership for 12 months or more. If he's just a boyfriend, no you cannot. Suggest you use our free online visa assessment form.

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